Immigration Clearinghouse

We reported earlier of a photo sent to us by a trusted source that put Minuteman Child Killer Shawna Forde side by side with Minuteman project founder Jim Gilchrist in a desert operation in 2007. LONG ISLAND WINS wrote an excellent article on the subject, and the race was on.

Jim Gilchrist personally responded to the article. Part of his comments were:

Forde had interactions with several border observation activists on the borders (both Mexican and Canadian) and immigration law enforcement activists (in the Seattle, Wa. area). She was also actively solicited by William Gheen of ALIPAC to act as a fund raiser for him in the Seattle area. She said she refused Gheen’s offers and wanted to work alone…to have her own group. Forde also was apparently trained in field activities by MCDC ( in Az.) and another group called Mountain Minutemen (in Campo, Ca.). She also had a short stint with Jeff Schwilk’s San Diego Minutemen (SDMM), according to her.

Gilchrist went on to state:

As a victim myself of similar email and blogging hate campaigns sponsored by these delusional and incurably mean propagandists, it is my opinion that as long as these kinds of people are involved in the immigration law enforcement advocacy movement it’s future success is very bleak.

This last statement is especially compelling and proves Gilchrist’s truthfulness in this instance. He has been a victim of hate campaigns directed at him by those he at one time was associated with.

Jim Gilchrist is no friend to the pro-reform movement, never has been and it is doubtful he ever will have anything positive to contribute to the debate as long as he keeps making uninformed comments such as these made in a recent interview on the whacked out conspiracy site WORLDNETDAILY

Gilchrist was quoted as saying the same old tired lines:

. “He’s providing them a detailed, mapped pathway into the United States so illegals can bring in their drugs, anchor babies, illegal alien cargo, armaments and anyone who wants to come into the United States, regardless of our rule of law. That’s what this professor is doing. He should be indicted.”

“This is serious. What is next? Someone using that to get someone in the United States to kill a member of law enforcement or a bunch of kids at an elementary school in the name of some god or some culture from the anti-American mantra? Who knows what the consequences could be?”

No better than ALIPAC’s William Gheen using fear to stir the whackos. But I digress.

But this is about ALIPAC’s William Gheen, poor delusional loser that he appears to be.

After the article, Gheen went into defensive posture, immediately leaving a comment on the LONG ISLAND WINS posting. He also started a thread on his own site distancing himself and damning Jim Gilchrist.

YOU DON’T MESS WITH WILLY

It is common knowledge that Gheen’s welcomes all to his site who agree with him, idolize him, but God help those that disagree, even if the opposing view is well thought out and well written.

ryantheray
ALIPAC New Recruit!
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Posts: 5
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:05 pm
There is stupidity coming from all sides. Figure out who is the real enemy. You’re all falling into divide and conquer………….

Throwing mud at each other does no one any good. This is more like a popularity contest than a movement or cause. Focus your energy on who the real enemy is, and it’s not Gilchrist or Gheen. But divide and conquer is a strategy that La Raza would use to defeat us and gain amnesty. But La Raza doesn’t have to, because we’re doing it to yourselves. This isn’t high school and this pettiness need to stop…………………………

Uh oh! Bad move on the part of Ryan. Willy gets his willy in a knot once again and responds with self serving garbage, which in part reads:

Thanks to ALIPAC and other groups on our side, and posts like this one, we stopped Jim Gilchrist, Glenn Spencer, and their border operations manager Shawna Forde from dragging the entire immigration enforcement movement down with her lie about being raped prior to her being accused of double homicide.

It was ALIPAC that stopped that fake rape story and those fake pictures circulated by Forde, Gilchrist, and Spencer from infecting or duping other activists and groups in our movement.

Glad we did it. We will keep doing it. And anyone that thinks we should not reject someone like Jim Gilchrist needs to find another place to hang out over there with his four remaining wingnuts nobody else will associate with.

W

But Ryan doesn’t know he’s treading on thin ice, using rational reasoning with the delusional Willy Gheen and goes on to say:

ryantheray
ALIPAC New Recruit!
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Posts: 5

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject:
William let’s be honest here, those 80 organizations don’t all really exist anymore. You and I both know that MANY are now defunct and/or only consist of one person to begin with. But it does make is sound good to quote there are 80.

And having a cheering section is nice for the ego, yet it’s those that actually do the work by lobbying or getting out in the streets that are the real heroes. The battle of egos or what every ‘name’ you want to give it, is not in the interest of the cause and discredits all those that have worked so hard to bring the issue of illegal immigration to the forefront.

William you have done more than your share of the effort, and deserve to be applauded for it, but you didn’t do it alone and neither did Gilchrist. Your bashing each other shows a lack of respect for those of us who are in the background and have done nothing to deserve the damage the infighting is causing.

This is not about a squabble between those leading the anti-illegal immigration cause. It’s not about you William or Jim, it’s about getting the next amnesty stopped. And with the White House repacked with open boarders sympathizers, we will have a battle like never before.

I’m not saying the two of you need to hold hands and sing kumaya together, but it does no one any good to continue discrediting other because it lands up discrediting us all.

And by the way, you did a very nice job of handling Lou Dobbs on the radio the other day. My hat is off to you. That’s what a leader should do and is the kind of stuff that will put us ahead………………………….

I just thought I might also add that you can go ahead and ban me. I know stating my opinion on this matter would not be welcomed. I have no interest in being a cheerleader for either you William or Jim. Since I know where the bodies are buried I have no interest in digging them up, we will are see the issues end within the next year anyway. Let’s hope it doesn’t end in an amnesty.

Thin ice indeed Ryan, and it infuriated “William” even more so as evidenced in his reply to this young whippersnapper!

If you really knew so much ryantheray then you would be aware that Jim Gilchrist was sending out hate emails against people in his own organization during the battles against the amnesty bills in 2006 and 2007.

When he was interviewed by Todd Hartley of Phoenix News, Jim Gilchrist tried to talk as if he had played some major role in the defeat of the legislation but it became very clear in the interview that Jim Gilchrist did not even know what had just happened.

So for you to post about Jim Gilchrist as if he ever was a benefit to defeating amnesty in the past, or for you to post as if he would be any benefit to our cause now that his border operations manager has been charged with the murder of a 9 year old little girl is….

INSANE!

And since you are speaking so insanely, we must raise the high possibility that you are in fact one of Jim Gilchrist’s last remaining supporters.

Anyone else around here agree with ryantheray? Speak freely folks, if anyone agrees with him go ahead and speak out.

Sure, some of the 80 groups that signed the letter against Gilchrist have gone on but he is still burnt political toast with every other sane group that knows about him.

W

RyantheRay continues with his logic which is lost on Whining Willy:

ryantheray
ALIPAC New Recruit!

Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Posts: 5

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:30 am Post subject:
William, you just don’t get it. It’s not about who did what or who’s wrong. Those who are just feeling the affects of this invasion and wanting to become active will see what both of you, you and Gilchrist, are doing and get turned off by the childishness of it. Most people don’t know the history of who did what and to whom, they just want to fight the next amnesty. Look outside of your circle, and see what you’re doing from the eyes of the public at large.

And I know that you and your cheerleaders feel the easiest way to discredit me is to attach me to Gilchrist. Wrong. I am no fan of Jim Gilchrist, never have been. But just because he’s been a fool so often, doesn’t dismiss your actions and childishness in participating in a campaign to discredit anyone you disagree with. It also makes you look like a fool. And it discourages many new people who may want to just get started in the fight against amnesty, but may not want to bother weeding through all the mud slinging and so they just decide to stay away. That’s what I’m reading on other blogs.

There is good propaganda and there is damaging. A wise person knows the difference. There is a time when it may be better to just walk away. Think about it. Chances are we have less than a year and this will all be over. Amnesty may pass, but many of us sure hope not. If that happens, then what will you do William? Tell yourself that the infighting had no effect on the outcome? Wrong, because is it having an effect, a negative effect.

By this time Willy has really lose it. Calling his member names etc:

In case you have not noticed.

ALIPAC is under attack from Jim Gilchrist and several illegal alien supporting groups he is now working with.

Gilchrist is lying about ALIPAC and claiming that we were associated with the accused child murderer Shawna Forde.

In fact, we were not associated with her and Jim Gilchrist was long after the warning signs made i necessary for ALIPAC to act.

Do you have any idea what it would have done to our movement if we had not shut Shawna down when Jim Gilchrist was promoting her and her fake rape story and pictures? The entire movement would have been caught up in the Shawna Forde damage, but that is not so today because ALIPAC acted as an information firewall and protected many other groups and activists that trust your information.

You want to see new people get turned off? Put em in touch with Jim Gilchrist.

You can take your ire at me and shove it.

I know 100% that I am doing the right thing by pointing out when Jim Gilchrist lies, works with pro amnesty groups to attack ALIPAC, and promotes people that float fake rape stories and pics that end up charged with double homicide including a child.

Jim Gilchrist is ZERO benefit to our cause and he is no ONE OF THE BIGGEST ALLIES of the PRO AMNESTY PEOPLE>

If you are truly against Amnesty like you say then you should stand with ALIPAC on the side of truth and the side that is getting the job done.

Look at all the things we have accomplished in the last few years. The ALIPAC yearly accomplishment lists are long.

Now name one thing Jim Gilchrist has done to help our cause. NAME ONE!

Now, if we make a list of what he has done to harm our movement the list is long.

Lying, negative press, border operations manager charged with homicide, attacks on over five different groups and leaders we can quickly name, fund raising for things he did not accomplish, stealing the accomplishments of others, endorsing a pro amnesty candidate, inviting opposition reporters to his home to bash others in the movement, openly working with pro amnesty bloggers to attack others, sending out attack email after email that have NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

ryantheray, your little speach about how me or ALIPAC need to change something we are doing in association with Jim Gilchrist is bullshit.

You are a either a Gilchrist supporter on one very seriously under informed person and since you claim to be so informed, you know where that leaves you.

Tell your buddy Jim Gilchrist and his child murdering border operations manager that I said I’ll fight you till the day I die. We are fighting to save America from powerful forces and Jim Gilchrist and his small remaining group of crazies have become their best allies.

Now people are dead and that crazy creep has the audacity to lie and claim ALIPAC tried to recruit his murderous assistant. He dares to claim that we pushed her over the edge to murder that man and his child.

You can all go straight to hell where you belong.

And each time Jim Gilchrist and crew work with the pro amnesty opposition groups to lie and attack me or ALIPAC, we are going to tell more people about it.

And each time we tell more people about it, more people will hate all of you for what you have done and what you are doing.

So keep it up, bring it on and I WILL GET LOUDER AND TAKE MORE AND MORE ACTIONS AGAINST YOU EACH TIME YOU DO IT!

Got it? Understand how it works creeps?

W

Of course Willies lemmings are there for him, consoling him and telling him what a great person he is and how he is their hero. Gag!

E-MAILS TELL THE TRUTH

For all of his bluster and bravado, Willy Gheen is nothing more than a huckster, a liar, accusing others of actions that he also engages in and perfected.

We’re in possession of an email Willy sent to his circle of hate which bashes Gilchrist and makes threats against this site and others that he can in no way fulfill.

The email will show connections that Willy doesn’t want known, such as his contact with Chuck Stonex, Laine Lawless, both supporters or ones who have been involved with her since the murders of Brisenia Flores and her father. It will also show where Willy is in contact with those of us in the pro-reform movement, the group that he regularly libels with his rants about La Raza, Open Border Lobby and Pro Illegal Alien Supporters, the latter two, figments of his over fertile imagination.

Just so you know we’re not pulling a “Willy” on you, her’s an portion of the email that we will be releasing later today or during the weekend.

Subject: Re: William Gheen, Jeff Schwilk, Chelene Nightingale, dirty newspaper journalist Frank Mickadeit, and their hijacker friends hate war veterans.
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:38:12 -0500
From: William Gheen

……………………………..And if any harm does come to ALIPAC because of it, even one donor
departs due to false statements by Gilchrist or a pro amnesty blogger
then we have what we need to file a lawsuit.

We are waiting on that day with our legal team at the ready, but so far
these tirades have had no notable impact on ALIPAC’s operations
whatsoever.

Keep trying stooges.

William Gheen
www.alipac.us

Same old Whining Willy bullshit. We’ve lost count of the times he’s threatened to sue his opponents when they tell the truth about his group and his scamming of donations from his naive donors. None of us are worried though. Willies a public person, he’s made himself that way and different rules apply to him.

Stayed tuned folks. The fun is just beginning! In the meantime, enjoy this excellent video from VRON